tv ABC News Special The Presidential Debates ABC October 19, 2016 9:00pm-11:00pm EDT
we got a runner. this is it. clinton/trump, the final debate. fight night in vegas. there you see the countdown clock. it all begins in just three minutes. >> we're competing in a rigged election. this is a rigged election. >> you do have to feel a little sorr of weeks. >> after a stunning round one. and an even more stunning round two. >> he has said that the video doesn't represent who he is, but it represents exactly who he is. >> false stories, all made up, lies. >> tonight, it's time for the final faceoff. >> bring it on. >> donald trump. hillary clinton. from abc news, the final presidential debate.
nevada las vegas, now reporting, george stephanopoulos. >> good evening. welcome to the last big set piece of this always surprising campaign. we are less than three weeks from the final votes. hillary clinton and donald trump about to take that stage in las vegas for their third showdown. if it's anything like the first two, a city known for prize fights about to score one more. i'm here with our whole political team tonight and jon karl in the debate hall, what a difference three weeks has made. right before the first debate, this race, a dead tonight, hillary clinton in control, leading nationwide and in all the key states. >> george, donald trump walks onto that stage tonight a candidate with nothing to lose. he says he's unshackled. his critics say he's unhinged. but the bottom line is, this is his last big chance to change the course of this campaign. and if he cannot do that, he could be headed not just towards a loss on november 8th, but a big embarrassing defeat.
start. if the last few days or any indication, we are about to see a fiery performance. >> george, no doubt, this will be the ugliest debate of the three presidential debates. donald trump told me earlier this week, he's going to come out aggressive and his campaign team tells me he's going to attack her on her health. on the wikileaks. donald trump said he, quote, loves wikileaks. and he has the special guests tonight sitting in the debate hall, the mother of a benghazi victim, and a new bill clinton accuser. clinton campaign, speaking of wikileaks, hillary clinton likely also to face very tough questions from the moderator, chris wallace of fox news. >> definitely, george. she's been off the campaign trail for five days preparing. and she's got an answer ready to go on wikileaks. we know for the first time she will go after donald trump for those claims of a rigged election. also, over the women who have come forward to accuse him of sexual misconduct. the goal for her tonight, george, get some undecided voters out of this. >> that is her goal, matthew
hillary clinton and donald trump coming to the debate hall earlier this evening. but you say now, even though campaign operatives have to be superstitious, it's time for her to think beyond election day? >> well, this is the last opportunity she's going to talk, be able to talk directly to millions of voters before election night. i think she needs to begin turning from a campaign that's been very divisive, to how she's going to govern in a very divided country. she needs to address those voters that aren't going to vote for her, because right now, forward being president. >> 90-minute debate. six 15-minute sections led by chris wallace of fox news. let's go to the stage. >> good evening from the thomas and mack center at the university of nevada las vegas. i'm chris wallace of fox news. and i welcome you to the third and final of the 2016 presidential debates between secretary of state hillary clinton and donald j. trump. this debate is sponsored by the
the commission has designed the format. six roughly 15-minute segments with two-minute answers to the first question, then open discussion for the rest of each segment. both campaigns have agreed to those rules. for the record, i decided the topics and the questions in each topic. none of those questions has been shared with the commission or with the two candidates. the audience here in the hall has promised to remain silent, no cheers, boos or other interruptions, so we and you can focus on what the candidates have to say. no noise except right now, as we welcome the democratic nominee for president, secretary clinton, and the republican nominee for president, mr.
secretary clinton, mr. trump, welcome. let's get right to it. the first topic is the supreme court. you both talked briefly about the court in the last debate, but i want to drill down on this, because the next president will almost certainly have at least one appointment, and likely or possibly two or three appointments, which means that you will ineffect determine the balance of the court for what could be the next quarter century. first of all, where do you want to see the country, and secondly, what's your view on how the constitution should be interpreted? do the founders words mean what they say or is it a living document to be applied flexf bl according to changing circumstances? in this segment, secretary clinton, you go first. >> thank you very much, chris, and thanks to unlv for hosting us. you know, i think when we talk about the supreme court, it
namely, what kind of country are we going to be? what kind of opportunities will we provide for our citizens, what kind of rights will americans have? and i feel strongly that the supreme court needs to stand on the side of the american people. not on the side of the powerful corporations and the wealthy. for me, that means that we need a supreme court that will stand up on behal on behalf of the rights of the lgbt community. that will stand up and say no to citizens united, a decision that has undermined the election system in our country because of the way it permits dark, unaccountable money to come into our electoral system. i have major disagreements with my opponent about these issues, and others, that will be before
in our country's history, it is important that we not reverse marriage equality, that we not reverse roe v. wade. that we stand up against citizens united, we stand up for the rights of people in the work workplace. that we stand up and basically say, the supreme court should represent all of us. that's how i see the court. and the kind of people that i would be looking to nomina tradition of standing up to the powerful, standing up on behalf of our rights as americans. and i look forward to having that opportunity. i would hope that the senate would do its job and confirm the nominee that president obama has sent to them. that's the way the constitution fundamentally should operate. the president nominates, and then the senate and dvises and consents, or not, but they go
mr. trump, where do you want to see the court take the country, and how do you believe the constitution should be interpreted? >> well, first of all, it's great to be with you, and thank you, everybody. the supreme court, it's what it's all about. our country is so, so -- just so imperative that we have the right justices. something happened recently where justice ginsburg made some very, very inappropriate statements toward me and toward a tremendous number of many, many millions of people that i represent, and she was forced to apologize, and apologize she did. but these were statements that should never, ever have been made. we need a supreme court that, in my opinion, is going to uphold the second amendment and all amendments, but the second amendment, which is under absolute siege. i believe if my opponent should win this race, which i truly don't think will happen, we will have a second amendment which
replica of what it is right now. but i feel that it's absolutely important that we uphold, because of the fact that it is under such trauma. i feel that the justices that i am going to appoint, and i've named 20 of them, the justices that i'm going to appoint will be pro-life, they will have a conse conservative. they will be protecting the second amendment. they cases. they will interpret the constitution the way the founders wanted it interpreted. and i believe that's very, very important. i don't think we should have justices appointed that decide what they want to hear. it's all about the constitution of -- and so important, the constitution, the way it was meant to be. and those are the people that i
>> mr. trump, thank you. we now have about ten minutes for an open discussion. i want to focus on two issues that, in fact, by the justices that you name could end up changing the existing law of the land, first is one that you mentioned, mr. trump, and that is guns. secretary clinton, you said last year, let me quote, the supreme court is wrong on the second amendment. now, in fact, in the 2008 case, the court ruled that there is a ns arms, but a right that is reasonably limited. those were the words of the judge, antonin scalia, that wrote the decision. what's wrong with that? >> well, first of all, i support the second amendment. i lived in arkansas for 18 wonderful years. i represented upstate new york. i understand and respect the tradition of gun ownership. it goes back to the founding of our country. but i also believe that there
regulation. because i support the second amendment doesn't mean that i want people who shouldn't have guns to be able to threaten you, kill you or members of your family. and, so, when i think about what we need to do, we have 33,000 people a year who die from guns. i think we need comprehensive background checks. need to close the online loophole, close the gun show loophole. there's other matters that i think are sensible, that are the kind of reforms t a difference, that are not in any way conflicting with the second amendment. you mentioned the heller decision, and what i was saying, that you referenced, chris, was that i disagreed with the way the court applied the second amendment in that case. because what the district of columbia was trying to do was to protect toddlers from guns. and so, they wanted people with guns to safely store them.
they've accepted many others. i see no conflict between saving people's lives and defending the second amendment. >> let me bring mr. trump in here. the bipartisan open debate coalition got millions of votes on questions to ask here and this was, in fact, one of the top questions that they got. how will you ensure the second amendment is protected? you just heard secretary clinton's answer. does she persuade you that while you may disagr second amendment to bear arms? >> well, the d.c. versus heller decision was very strongly and she was extremely angry about it. ill i watch. she was very angry about it. and justice scalia was so involved, and it was a well crafted decision, but hillary was extremely upset, extremely angry and people that believe in the second amendment and believe it in very strongly were very upset with what --
were you extremely upset? >> well, i was upset because unfortunately, dozens of toddlers injure themselves, even kill people with guns because, unfortunately, not everyone who has loaded guns in their homes takes appropriate precautions. but there's no doubt that i respect the second amendment, that i also believe there's an individual right to bear arms. that is not in conflict with sensible, common sense i understand that donald's been strongly supported by the nra, the gun lobby's on his side, they are running millions of dollars of ads against me, and i regret that, because what i would like to see is for people to come together and say, of course, we're going to protect and defend the second amendment. but we're going to do it in a way that tries to save some of these 33,000 lives that we lose every year. >> let me bring mr. trump back
weapons, any limits on high capacity magazines. you support and national right to carry law. why, sir? >> well, let me just tell you, before we go anywhere further, in chicago, which has the toughest gun laws in the united states, probably you could say, by far, they have more gun violence than any other city. so, we have the toughest laws, and you have tremendous gun violence. i am a very strong supporter of the second amendment, and, i it in a sarcastic manner, but i'm very proud to have the endorsement of the nra, and the earliest endorsement they'ver given to anybody who ran for president, so, i'm very honored by all of that. we are going to appoint justices, this is the best way to help the second amendment, we are going to appoint justices that will feel very strongly about the second amendment, that will not do damage to the second amendment. >> well, let's pick up on
you, and the justices that, whoever ends up winning this election appoints could have a dramatic effect there, and that's the issue of abortion. mr. trump, you're pro-life, but i want to ask you, specifically, do you want the court, including the justices that you will name, to overturn roe v. wade, which includes, in fact, states, a woman's right to abortion? >> well, if that would happen, because i am pro-life, and i will be appointing pro-life judges, i would think that that will go back to the individual states. >> but i'm asking you specifically -- >> if they overturn it, it will go back to the states. >> what i'm asking you, sir, do you want to see the court overturn? you want to see the court protect the second amendment. do you want to see the court overturn roe v. wade. >> we put two, three justices on, that's really what's going to happen. and that will happen automatically, in my opinion, because i am putting pro-life justices on the court. i will say this. it will go back to the states.
determination. >> secretary clinton? >> well, i strongly support roe v. wade, which guarantees a constitutional right to a woman to make the most intimate, most difficult, in many cases, decisions about her health care that one can imagine. and in this case, it's not only about roe v. wade. it is about what's happening right now in america. so many states are putting very stringent regulations on women that choice, to the extend that they are defunding planned parenthood, which, of course, provides all kinds of cancer screenings and other benefits for women in our country. donald has said he's in favor of defunding planned parenthood. he supported shutting the government down to defend planned parenthood. i will defend planned parenthood. i will defend roe v. wade and i will defend women's rights to make their own health care decisions.
>> and we have come too far to have that turned back now. indeed, he said women should be punished, that there should be some form of punishment for women who obtain abortions and i could just not be more opposed to that kind of thinking. >> i'm going to give you a chance to respond, but i want to ask you, secretary clinton, i want to explore how far you believe the right to abortion goes. you have been quoted as saying that the fetus has no constitutional rights. you also voted a late-term partial birth abortions. why? >> because roe v. wade very clearly sets out that there can be regulations on abortion, so long as the life and the health of the mother are taken into account. and when i voted, as a senator, i did not think that that was the case. the kinds of cases that fall at
decisions for families to make. i have met with women who, toward the end of their pregnancy, get the worst news one could get, that their health is in jeopardy if they continue to carry to term, or that something terrible has happened or just been discovered about the pregnancy. i do not think the united states government should be stepping in and making those most personal of decisions. so, you caneg doing so with the life and the health of the mother taken into account. >> mr. trump, your reaction, particularly on this issue of late-term, partial birth abortion. >> i think it's terrible. in the ninth month, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother. just prior to the birth of the baby. now, you can say that that's okay, and hillary can say that that's okay, but it's not okay
saying and based on where she's going and where she's been, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb. in the ninth month. on the final day. and that's not acceptable. >> well, that is not what happens in these cases, and using that kind of scare rhetoric is just terribly unfortunate. you should meet with some of the women that i've met with, women i've known, over the course of my life. this is one of the worst possible and her family has to make. and i do not believe the government should be making it. you know, i've had the great honor of traveling across the world on behalf of our country. i've been to countries where governments either forced women to have abortions like they used to do in china, or forced women to bear children like they used to do in romania. and i can tell you, the government has no business in the decisions that women make with their families in
i will stand up for that right. >> all right. just briefly, i want to move on. >> and honestly, nobody has business doing what i just said, doing that, as late as one or two or three or four days prior to birth. nobody has that. >> all right. let's move on to the subject of immigration. and there is almost no issue that separates the two of you more than the issue of immigration. actually, there are a lot of issues that separate the two of you. mr. trump, you want to build a wall, secretary clinton, you have offered for how you want to secure our southern border. mr. trump, you are calling for major deportations. secretary clinton, you say that within your first 100 days as president, you're going to offer a package that includes a pathway to citizenship. the question, really is, why you are right and your opponent wrong? mr. trump, you go first in this segment. you have two minutes. >> well, first of all, she wants to give amnesty, which is a disaster, very unfair for the people waiting in line for many,
in the audience tonight, we have four mothers of -- i mean, these are unbelievable people that i've gotten to know over a period of years, whose children have been killed, brutally killed by people that came into the country illegally. you have thousands of mothers and fathers and relatives, all over the country. they're coming in illegally. drugs are pouring in through the border. we have no country if we have no border. hillary wants to give amnesty. she wants to have open borders. the border -- as you know, the i.c.e. last week, endorsed me. first time they have endorsed a candidate. it means their job is tougher. they know what's going on. they know it better than anybody. they want strong borders. they feel we have strong borders. i was up in new hampshire, the biggest complaint they have, with all of the problems going on in the world, many of the problems caused by hillary clinton and by barack obama, all of their problems, single biggest problem is heroin that
destroying their youth. it's poisoning the blood of their youth and plenty of other people. we have to have strong borders. we have to keep the drugs out of our country. we have, right now, we're getting the drugs, they're getting the cash. we need strong borders. we need absolute -- we cannot give amnesty. now, i want to build a wall. we need the wall. the border patrol, i.c.e., they all want the wall. we stop the drugs, we shore up the border. one of my get all of the drug lords, all of the bad ones. we have some bad, bad people in this country, that have to go out. we're going to get them out. we're going to secure the border and once the border is secured, at a later date, we'll make a determination as to the rest. but we have some bad hombres here and we're going to get them out. >> mr. trump, thank you. same question to you, secretary clinton. basically, why are you right, and mr. trump is wrong? >> as he was talking, i was
who is very worried that her parents might be deported, because she was born in this country, but they were not. they work hard, they do everything they can to give her a good life. and, you're right. i don't want to rip families apart. i don't want to be sending parents away from children. i don't want to see the deportation force that donald has talked about in action in our country. we have 11 million undocumented citizen children. 15 million people. he said, as recently as a few weeks ago in phoenix, that every undocumented person would be subject to deportation. now, here's what that means. it means you would have to have a massive law enforcement presence where law enforcement officers would be going school to school, home to home, business to business, rounding up people who are undocumented. and, we would then have to put
them out of our country. i think that is an idea that is not in keeping with who we are as a nation. i think it's an idea that would rip our country apart. i have been for border security for years. i voted for border security in the united states senate. and my comprehensive immigration reform plan of course includes border security. but i want to put our resources where i think they're most needed. getting rid of any person, anybody who should be deported, we should deport them. when it comes to the wall that donald talks about building, he went to mexico, he had a meeting with the mexican president, didn't even raise it, he choked. and then got into a twitter war because the mexican president said, we're not paying for that wall. so, i think we are both a nation of immigrants and we are a nation of laws, and that we can act accordingly, and that's why i'm introducing comprehensive immigration reform within the
citizenship. >> thank you, secretary clinton. i want to follow -- >> chris, i think i should respond to that. >> okay. >> i had a very good meeting with the president of mexico, very nice man. we will be doing very much better with mexico on trade deals, believe me. the nafta deal signed by her husband is one of the worst deals ever made of any kind, signed by anybody. it's a disaster. hillary clinton wanted the wall. hillary clinton fought for the wall in 2006, or done, so, naturally, the wall wasn't built. but hillary clinton wanted the wall. >> well, let me -- sir, let me -- >> we're a country of laws. >> i would like to hear from secretary clinton. >> i voted for border security. and there are -- >> and a wall. >> there are some limited places where that was appropriate. there also is necessarily going to be new technology and how best to deploy that.
at what donald has been proposing, he started his campaign bashing immigrants, calling mexican immigrants rapists and criminals and drug dealers. that he has a very different view about what we should do to deal with immigrants. now, what i am also arguing is that bringing undocumented immigrants out from the shadows, putting them into the formal economy, will be good, because employers can't exploit them and un this. he used undocumented labor to build the trump tower. he underpaid undocumented workers and when they complained, he basically said, what a lot of employers do. you complain, i'll get you deported. i want to get everybody out of the shadows, get the economy working, and not let employers like donald exploit undocumented workers, which hurts them, but also hurts american workers. >> mr. trump? >> president obama has moved millions of people out. nobody knows about it, nobody
moved out of this country. they've been deported. she doesn't want to say that, but that's what's happened and that's what's happened big league. as far as moving these people out, and moving we, we either h a country or we don't. we either have a border or we don't. you can come back in and you can become a citizen. but it's very unfair. we have millions of people that did it the right way, they're on line, they're waiting. we're going to speed up the process. big league. because it's very inefficient. but to become citizens. very unfair that somebody runs across the border, becomes a citizen, under her plan, you have open borders. you would have a disaster on trade and you will have a disaster with your open borders. what she doesn't say is that president obama has deported millions and millions of people, just the way it is. >> secretary clinton -- >> we will not have open borders. >> secretary -- >> that is a mischaracterization. we will have secure borders, but we will have also reform.
issue. ronald reagan was the last president -- >> secretary clinton, excuse me. >> to sign immigration reform and george w. bush supported it at all. >> secretary clinton, i want to clear up your position on this issue, because in a speech you gave to a brazilian bank for which you were paid $225,000, we learned from the wikileaks that you said this, and i want to quote. my dream is a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders. so, that's -- >> thank you. >> that's that's the question. please, quiet, everybody. is that your dream, open borders? >> well, if you went on to read the rest of the sentence, i was talking about emernergy. we trade more energy with our neighbors than we trade with the rest of the world combined. i do want us to have an emerenergy system that crosses borders. that would be a great benefit to us. but are very clearly quoting
is that the russian government has engaged in espionage against americans. they have hacked american websites, american accounts of private people, of institutions. then, they have given that information to wikileaks for the purpose of putting it on the internet. this has come from the highest levels of the russian government, clearly, from putin himself, in an effort, as 17 confirmed, to influence our election. so, i actually think the most important question of this evening, chris, is, finally, will donald trump admit and condemn that the russians are doing this, and make it clear that he will not have the help of putin in this election, that he rejects russian espionage against americans, which he
answered. we've never had anything like this happen in any of our elections before. >> that was a great pivot off the fact that she wants open borders, okay? how did we get to putin? >> hold on. >> no, no. >> wait. hold on, folks. because we could -- this is going to end up getting out of control. try to keep it quiet, so, for the candidates and for the american people. >> just to finish on the borders. >> yes. >> she wants open borders. people are going to pour into our country. people are going to come in from people than barack obama and he has thousands and thousands of people. they have no idea where they come from and you see, we are going to stop radical islamic terrorism in this country. she won't even mention the words and neither will president obama. so, i just want to tell you, she wants open borders. now we can talk about putin. i don't know putin. he said nice things about me. if we got along well, that would be good. if russia and the united states got along well and went after
he has no respect for her, he has no respect for our president, and i'll tell you what, we're in very serious trouble. because we have a country with tremendous numbers of nuclear w warheads, 1,800, by the way, where they expanded and we didn't. 1,800 nuclear warheads and she's playing chicken. look. >> wait -- >> from everything i see, has no respect for this person. >> well, that's because he'd th president. >> no puppet. no put ppet. you're the puppet. >> it's cleared that the russians have engaged on cyber attacks on the united states, that you encouraged espionage against our people, that you are willing to spout the putin line, sign up for his wish list, break up nato, do whatever he wants to do, and that you continue to get
very clear favorite in this race. so, i think that this is such an unprecedented situation. we've never had a foreign government trying to interfere in our election. we have 17 -- 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyber attacks come from the highest levels of the kremlin and they are designed to influence our i think -- >> she has no idea whether it's russia, china or anybody. >> i'm not quoting myself, i am quoting 17 -- >> hillary, you have no idea. >> do you doubt 17 military and -- >> our country has no idea. >> 17 military and civilian agencies. he would rather believe vladimir putin than the military and civilian professionals who have sworn to protect us.
putin has outsmarted her at every step of the way. excuse me. putin has -- >> mr. trump. >> putin has -- >> mr. trump, i'm not a potted plant here, i do get to ask some questions. and i would like to ask you this direct question. the top national security officials of this country do believe that russia has been behind these hacks. even if you don't know for sure whether they are, do you condemn any interference by russia in the american election? >> by russia or anybody interference? >> of course i condemn. of course i condemn. didn't know putin. >> i'm not asking you that. >> this is not my best friend. but if the united states got along with russia, wouldn't be so bad. let me tell you, putin has outsmarted her and obama at every single step of the way. whether it's syria -- you name it. missiles. take a look at the startup that they signed. the russians have said, according to many, many reports,
they create warheads and we can't. the russians can't believe it. she has been outsmarted by putin and all you have to do is look at the middle east. they've taken over. we've spent $6 trillion, they've taken over the middle east. she has been outsmarted and outplayed worst than anybody i've seen in any government whatsoever. >> we're a long way away from immigration, but i'm going to let you finish this topic, you've got about 45 seconds. >> and she always will be. >> i find it ironic raising nuclear weapons. this is a person who has been very cavalier, even casual about the use of nuclear weapons. she's -- >> wrong. >> advocating more countries getting them, japan, korea. he said, if we have them, why don't we use them, which i think is terrifying. but here's the deal. the bottom line on nuclear weapons is that when the president gives the order, it must be followed. there's about four minutes
and the people responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so. and that's why ten people who have had that awesome responsibility have come out and in an unprecedented way said they would not trust donald trump with the nuclear codes or to have his finger on the nuclear button. >> i have 200 generals and admirals, 21 endorsing me, 21 congressional medal of honor recipients. as far as japan and other countries, we are being ripped off by everybody, we're defending other countries. we are spending a fortune doing it. they have the bargain of the century. all i said is, we have to renegotiate these agreements, because our country cannot afford to defend saudi arabia, japan, germany, south cree that ya and many other places. we cannot continue to afford. she took that as saying nuclear weapons. >> okay. >> look. she's been proven to be a liar on so many different ways.
>> well, i'm just quoting you. >> there's no quote. >> when -- >> you're not going to find a quote from me. >> when asked about nuclear competition in asia, you said, you know, go ahead, enjoy yourselves, folks. that kind of -- >> and defend yourselves. >> well, the united states -- >> i didn't say nuclear. and defend yourself. >> united states has kept the peace through our alliances. donald want to tear up alliances. i would work with our allies, in asia, in europe, in the middle east and elsewhere. that's the only way we're going to keep the peace. >> we're fog to move onto the next topic, which is the economy. and i hope we handle that as well as we did immigration. you also have very different ideas about how to get the economy growing faster. secretary clinton, in your plan, government plays a big role.
spending, more entitlements, more tax credits, more tax penalties. mr. trump, you want to get government out, with lower taxes and less regulation. we're going to drill down into this a little bit more, but in this overview, please explain to me why you believe that your plan will create more jobs and growth for this country, and your opponent's plan will not. in this round, you go first, secretary clinton. >> well, i think when the middle class thrives, america thrives. and so, my plan is based on middle class families many more opportunities. i want us to have the biggest jobs program since world war ii. jobs in infrastructure, advance manufacturing, i think we can compete with high wage countries, and i believe we should. new jobs and clean energy, not only to fight climate change, which is a serious problem, but to create new opportunities and new businesses. i want us to do more to help small business. that's where two-thirds of the new jobs are going to come from.
minimum wage, because people who live in poverty should not, who work full time should not still be in poverty. and i sure do want to make sure women get equal pay for the work we do. i feel strongly that we have to have an education system that starts with pree school and goes through college. that's why i want more technical education in high schools and community colleges, real apprenticeships to prepare young people for the jobs of the future. i want to make college debt-free and for families making less than a tuition bill from a public college or university if the plan that i worked on with bernie sanders is inacted. and we're going to work hard to make sure that it is, because we are going to go where the money is. most of the gains in the last years, since the great recession, have gone to the very top. so, we are going to have the wealthy pay their fair share. we're going to have corporations make a contribution greater than they are now to our country.
analyzed by independent experts, which said that it could produce 10 million new jobs. by contrast, donald's plan has been analyzed to conclude it might lose 3.5 million jobs. why? because his whole plan is to cut taxes, to give the biggest tax breaks ever to the wealthy and to corporations. adding $20 trillion to our debt and causing the kind of dislocation that we have seen before, because it truly will be steroids. so, the plan i have, i think will actually produce greater opportunities. the plan he has will cost us jobs and possibly lead to another great recession. >> secretary, thank you. mr. trump, why will your plan create more jobs and growth than secretary clinton's? >> before i start on my plan, her plan is going to raise taxes and even double your taxes. her tax plan is a disaster. and she can say all she wants about college tuition and i'm a big proponent, we're going to do
tuition, but the rest of the public's going to be paying for it. we will have a massive, massive tax increase under hillary clinton's plan. but i'd like to start off where we left. because when i said japan and germany and i'm not just singling them out, but -- these are very rich, powerful countries. saudi arabia. nothing but money. we protect saudi arabia. why aren't they paying? she immediately, when she heard this, i questioned it. and i questioned nato, why aren't the nato aren't they paying? because they weren't paying. since i did this, this was a year ago, all of a sudden, they're paying and i've been given a lot of credit for it. all of a sudden, they're starting to pay up. they have to pay up. we're protecting people, they have to pay up. i'm a big fan of nato, but they have to pay up. she comes out and say, we love our allies, we think our allies are great. it's hard to get them to pay up when we say how great they are. we have to tell japan in a very nice way.
have to help us out. we have, during his regime, during president obama's regime, we've doubled our national debt. we're up to $20 trillion. so, my plan, we're going to renegotiate trade deals. we have horrible deals. our jobs are being taken out by the deal that her husband signed, nafta, one of the worst deals ever. our jobs are being sucked out of our economy. you look at all of the places that i just left. to ohio, you go to florida, you go to any of them, you go upstate new york. our jobs have fled to mexico and other places. we're bringing our jobs back. i am going to renegotiate nafta. if i can't make a great deal, then we're going to terminate nafta and we're going to create new deals. we're going to terminate it. we're going to make a great trade deal. and if we can't, we're going to do it, we're going to go a separate way, because it's been
taxes massively. they're going to start hiring people. >> time has expired. >> we are going to start the engine rolling again, because right now, our country is dying at 1% gdp. >> let me translate that, if i can, chris, because -- >> you can't. >> the fact is, he's going to advocate for the largest tax cuts we've ever seen. three times more than the tax cuts under the bush administration. i have said, repeate not raise taxes on anyone making $250,000 or less. i also will not add a penny to the debt. i have costed out what i'm going to do. he will, through his massive tax cuts, add $20 trillion to the debt. well, he mentioned the debt. we know how to get control of the debt. when my husband was president, we went from a $300 billion deficit to a $200 billion surplus, and we're actually on the path to eliminating the
when president obama came into office, he inherited the worst economic disaster since the great depression. he has cut the deficit by two-thirds. so, yes, one of the ways you go after the debt, one of the ways you create jobs is by investing in people. so, i do have investments, investments in new jobs, investments in education, skill training, and the opportunities for people to get ahead and stay ahead. that's the kind of approach -- >> secretary -- >> that will work. we've tried that. it has not worked the way it has been promised. >> secretary, i want to per sue your plan, because in many ways, it is similar to the obama stimulus plan in 2009. which has led to the slowest gdp growth since 1949. >> correct. >> thank you, sir. you told me in july when we spoke that the problem is that president obama didn't get to do
your plan basically more, even more of the obama stimulus? >> well, it's a combination, chris. and let me say that when you inherit the level of economic catas catastrophe, it was a real touch and go situation. i was in the senate, before i became secretary of state. i've never seen people as physically distraught as because of what was happening to the economy. i personally believe that the steps that president obama took saved the economy. he doesn't get the credit he deserves for taking some very hard positions. but it was a terrible recession. so, now, we've dug ourselves out of it, we're standing, but we're not yet running. so, what i am proposing is that we invest from the middle out. and the ground up. not the top down.
that's why what i have put forward doesn't add a penny to the debt. but it is the kind of approach that will enable more people to take those new jobs, higher paying jobs. we're beginning to see some increase in incomes and wee certainly have had a long string of increasing jobs. we've got to do more to get the whole economy moving, and that's what i believe i will be able to do. >> mr. trump, even conservative economists who have looked at your plan say that the that your idea and you've talked about 25 million jobs created, 4% -- >> over a ten-year period. >> growth is unrealistic. and they say, you talk a lot about growing the energy industry, they say, with oil prices as low as they are right now, that's unrealistic, as well. your response? >> so, i just left some high representatives of india. they're growing at 8%. china is growing at 7%. and that, for them, is a
we are growing, our last report came out, and it's right around the 1% level, and i think it's going down. last week, as you know, the end of last week, they came out with an anemic jobs report. a terrible jobs report. in fact, i said, is that the last jobs report before the election? because if it is, i should win easily. it was so bad. the report was so bad. look. our country is stagnant. we've lost our jobs. we've lost our relatively speaking. our product is pouring in from china, vietnam, pouring in from all over the world. i've visited so many communities, this has been such an incredible education for me, chris. i've gotten to know so many, i developed so many friends over the last year, and they cry when they see what's happened. i pass factories that were thriving 25 years ago, and because of the bill that her husband signed and she blessed,
happened to these people in these communities. now, she can say that her husband did well, but boy did they suffer as nafta kicked in, because it didn't really kick in very much, but it kicked in after they left. boy did they suffer. that was one of the worst things that's ever been signed by our country. now, she wants to sign transpacific partnership. she lied when she said she didn't call it the gold standard. she totally lied. she did call it the gold standard and they fact checked and they said it was right. to briefly speak to that and i want to pivot to o-- go ahead, briefly. >> well, first, let me say, number one, when i saw the final agreement for tpp, i said i was against it, it didn't meet my test. i've had the same test. does it create jobs, raise incomes and fourth your our national security. i'm against it now, i'll against
donald has shipped jobs to 12 countries. he mentioned china. and one of the biggest problems we have with china is the illegal dumping of steel and aluminum into our markets. i have fought against that as a senator, i've stood up against it as secretary of state. donald has bought chinese steel and aluminum, in fact, the trump hotel right here in las vegas was made with chinese steel. so, he goes around with crocodile tears about how terrible it is, but he has given jobs to chinese steelworkers, no >> that's the kind of approach that is just not going to work. we're going to pull the country together, we're going to have trade agreements that we enforce, that's why i'm going to have a trade prosecutor for the first time in history, and we're going to enforce those agreements. and we're going look for businesses to help us by buying american products. >> go ahead. >> i ask a simple question. she's been doing this for 30 years. why the hell didn't you do it over the last 15, 20 years? >> you know, i voted --
excuse me. my turn. you were very much involved in every aspect of this country. very much. and you do have experience. i say the one thing you have over me is experience, but it's bad experience, because what you've done has turned out badly. for 30 years, you've been in position to help. and if you say that i use steel or i use something else, i -- make it impossible for me to do that. i wouldn't mind. the problem is, you talk, but you don't get anything done, hillary. you don't. just like when you ran the state department. $6 billion was missing. how do you miss $6 billion? you ran the state department. $6 billion was either stolen, they don't know. it's gone. $6 billion. if you become president, this country is going to be in some mess. believe me. >> well, first of all, what he just said about the state department is not only untrue, it's been debunked numerous times. but i think it's really an
30 years of experience. let me just talk briefly about that. you know, back in the 1970s, i worked for the children's defense fund and i was taking on discrimination against african-american kids in schools. he was getting sued by the justice department for racial discrimination in his apartment buildings. in the 1980s, i was working to reform the schools in arkansas. he was borrowing $14 million from his father to start his businesses. in the 1990s, i went to beijing. human rights. he insulted a former miss universe, alicia machado. called her an eating machine. on the day when i was in situation room, monitoring the raid that brought osama bin laden to justice, he was hosting "the celebrity apprentice." i'm happy to compare what i've done for this country, trying to help in every way i could, especially kids and families, get ahead and stay ahead, with
american people make that decision. >> well, i think i did a much better job. i built a massive company, some of the greatest assets anywhere in the world. worth many, many billions of dollars. i started with a $1 million loan. i agree with that, it's a $1 million loan. but i built a phenomenal company. if we could run our country the way i've run my company, we would have a country that you would be so proud of. you would even be proud of it. and frankly, when you look at syria. take a look at the migration, take a look at libya. take a look at iraq. she gave us isis, because her and obama created this huge vacuum. and a small group came out of it. we should have never been in iraq. but once we were there, we should have never got out. the way they wanted to get out. she gave us isis, as sure as you are sitting there, and now, isis is in 32 countries. and now i listen how she's going
nobody. >> all right, we're going to get to foreign hot spots in a few moments, but the next segment is fitness to be president of the united states. mr. trump, at the last debate, you said your talk about grabbing women was just that, talk. and that you'd never actually done it. and since then, as we all know, nine women have come forward and said that you either groped them or kissed them without their consent. why would so many different women from so many different circumstances over so many different years, why would they all in this last couple of weeks make up, you deny this, make up the stories, and since this is a question for both of you, secretary clinton, mr. trump says what your husband did and that you defended was even worse. mr. trump, you go first. >> well, first of all, those stories have been largely debunked.
i believe it was her campaign that did it. just like, if you look at what came out today on the clips, where i was wondering, what happened with my rally in chicago, and other rallies where we had such violence. she's the one, and obama, that caused the violence. they hire people, they paid them $1,500, and they're on tape, say, be violent, cause fights, do bad things. i would say, the only way, because those stories are all totally false, i have to say my wife, who is sitting right here, because i didn't do anything. i didn't know any of these women. i didn't see these women. these women, the woman on the plane, the woman -- i think they want either fame or her campaign did it. and i think it's her campaign. because what i saw what they did, which is a criminal act, by the way, where they are telling people to go out and start fist fights and start violence, and i tell you what, in particular in chicago, people were hurt and
that riot. and that was now all on tape, started by here. i believe, chris, that she got these people to step forward. if it wasn't, they get their ten minutes of fame. but they were all totally -- it was all fiction. it was lies and it was fiction. >> secretary clinton? >> well, at the last debate, we heard donald talking about what he did to women. and after that, a number of that's exactly what he did to them. now, what was his response? well, he held a number of big rallies where he said that he could not possibly have done those things to those women because they were not attractive enough for them to be assaulted. >> i did not say that. >> in fact, he went on to say -- >> her two minutes -- sir, her two minutes. >> did not say that. >> it's her two minutes.
about another woman, he said, that wouldn't be my first choice. he attacked the woman reporter writing the story, called her disgusting, as he has called a number of women during this campaign. donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger. he goes after their dignity, their self-worth, and i don't think there is a woman anywhere who doesn't know what that feels like thinks and what he says and how he acts toward women. that's who donald is. i think it's really up to all of us to demonstrate who we are. and who our country is. and to stand up and be very clear about what we expect from our next president. how we want to bring our country together.
again the other. where, instead, we celebrate our diversity, we lift people up. and we make our country even greater. america is great because america is good. and it really is up to all of us to make that true, now and in the future, and particularly for our children and our grandchildren. >> mr. trump -- >> nobody has more respect for women than i do. nobody. nobody has more >> please, everybody. >> and frankly, those stories have been largely debunked, and i really want to just talk about something slightly different. she mentions this, which is all fiction, all fiction lies, probably or possibly started by her and her very sleazy campaign. but i will tell you, what isn't fictionalized are her e-mails where she destroyed 33,000 e-mails, criminally.
the united states congress. what happened to the fbi, i don't know. we have a great general, four-star general, today, you read it in all the papers, going to potentially serve five years in jail for lying to the fbi. one lie. she's lied hundreds of times to the people, to congress, and to the fbi. he's going to probably go to jail. this is a four-star ne and she gets away with it, and she can run for the presidency of the united states? that's really what you should be talking about. not fiction, where somebody wants fame or whether they come out of her crooked campaign. >> secretary clinton? >> well, every time donald is pushed on something, which is obviously uncomfortable, like what these women are saying, he
responsibility. and it's not just about women. he never apologizes or says he's sorry for anything. so, we know what he has said, and what he's done to women. but he also went after a disabled reporter, mocked and mimicked him on national television. >> wrong. >> he went after mr. and mrs. khan, the parents of a young man who died serving our country, a gold-star family, because of their religion prisoner of war, said he prefers people who aren't captured. he went after a federal judge, born in indiana, but who donald said couldn't be trusted to try the fraud and racketeering case against trump university because his parents were mexican. so, it's not one thing, this is a pattern. a pattern of divisiveness, of a very dark and in many ways
where he incites violence, where he applauds people who are pushing and pulling and punching at his rallies. that is not who america is. and i hope that as we move in the last weeks of this campaign, more and more people will understand what's at stake in this election. it really does come down to what kind of country we are going to have. >> so sad when she talks about violence at my rallies, and she it's on tape. the other things are false, but honestly, i'd love to talk about getting rid of isis and i'd love to talk about other things. >> okay. >> but those other charges, as she knows, are false. >> in this bucket about fitness to be president, there's been a lot of developments over the last ten days since the last debate, i'd like to ask you about them, these are questions that the american people have. secretary clinton, during your 2009 senate confirmation hearing, you promised to avoid even the appearance of a
dealing with the clinton foundation while you were secretary of state, but e-mails show that donors got special access to you, those seeking grants for haiti relief were considered separately from non-donors and some of those donors got contract, government contracts, taxpayer money. can you really say that you kept your pledge to that senate committee, and why isn't what happened and what went on between you and the clinton foundation, why i mr. trump calls pay to play? >> well, everything i did as secretary of state was in fourth rans of country's interest and our values. the state department has said that. i think that's been proven. but i am happy, in fact, i'm thrilled to talk about the clinton foundation, because it is a world renowned charity. and i am so proud of the work that it does. you know, i could talk for the rest of the debate, i know i don't have the time to do that,
11 million people around the world with hiv/aids to afford treatment, and that's about half of all the people in the world who are getting treatment. in partnership with the american -- >> secretary clinton -- >> health association, we have made environments in schools -- >> respectfully, this is an open discussion -- >> well, it is an open discussion -- >> the question went to pay for play. do you want to talk about that? >> i think that it's been -- >> let -- >> there is a lot of evidence -- it's a criminal enterprise. saudi arabia giving $25 million, qatar, all of these countries, you talk about women and women's rights? so, these are people that push gays off buildings. these are people that kill women and treat women horribly. and, yet, you take their money. so, i'd like to ask you right now, why don't you give back the
certain groups of people so horribly. why don't you give back the money? i think it would be a great gesture, because she takes a tremendous amount of money and you take a look at the people of haiti, i was in little haiti the other day in florida, and i want to tell you, they hate the clintons. because what's happened in haiti with the clinton foundation is a disgrace. and you know, and they know it and everybody knows it. >> secretary clinton? >> well, very quickly, we clinton foundation spend 90% of all the money that is donated on behalf of programs of people around the world and in our country. i'm very proud of that. we have the highest rating forever the watchdogs that follow foundations. and i'd be happy to compare what we do with the trump foundation, which took money from other people and bought a six-foot portrait of donald. i mean, who does that? it just was astonishing. but when it comes to haiti,
our hemisphere. the earthquake and the hurricanes, it has devastated haiti. bill and i have been involved in trying to help haiti for many years. the clinton foundation raised $30 million to help haiti after the catastrophic earthquake, and all of the terrible problems the people there had. we've done things to help small businesses, agriculture and so much else. and we're going to keep working to help haiti, because it's an important part of the american experience anymore. i'd like to mention one thing. trump foundation, small foundation. people contribute. i contribute. the money goes 100%, 100% goes to different charities including a lot of military. i don't get anything. i don't buy boats or planes. what happens -- >> wasn't some of the money used to settle your lawsuits, sir? >> no, it was -- we put up the american flag and that's it, they put up the american flag. we fought for the right in palm beach -- >> right, but there was a
beach county, and the money came from your foundation. >> the money went to fisher house, where they build houses, the money that you're talking about, went to fisher house, where they build houses for veterans and disabled -- >> but of course there's no way we can go whether any of that is true because he hasn't released his tax returns. he is the first ever to run for president in the last 40-plus years who has not released his tax returns. so, everything he sail says we can't prove it, you can look at our tax returns, we've got them all out there. but what is really troubling, is that we learned in the last debate, he hasn't paid a penny in federal income tax. and we were talking about immigrants a few minutes ago, chris, you know, half of all immigrants, undocumented immigrants in our country, actually pay federal income tax. so, we have undocumented
than a billionaire. that'sastonishing. >> we're entitled to take massive amounts of depreciation. and we took it. i know buffett took moneys of millions of dollars, george soros took hundreds of millions of dollars. >> we've heard this -- >> most of her donors have done the same thing as i do. >> folks, we heard this -- >> hillary, you should have changed the law when you were a united states na >> your donors and special interests are doing the same thing i do, except even more so. you should have changed the law. but you won't change the law, because you take in so much money. i sat in my apartment day in a very -- >> made with chinese steel. >> but i sat there -- i sat there, watching ad after ad after ad, false ad, all paid for by your friends on wall street that gave so much money, because
protect them and, frankly, you should have changed the laws. if you don't like when i did, you should have changed the laws. >> mr. trump, i want to ask you about one last question in this topic. you have been warning at rallies recently that this election is rigged and that hillary clinton is in the process of trying to steal it from you. you're running mate, governor pence, pledged on sunday that he and you, his absolutely accept the result of this election. today, your daughter ivanka said the same thing. i want to ask you here on this stage tonight, do you make the same commitment that you will absolutely -- sir. that will you absolutely accept the result of this election? >> i will look at it at the time. i'm not looking at anything now. i'll look at it at the time. what i've seen -- what eve seen is so bad. first of all, the media is so dishonest, and so corrupt, and
"the new york times" wrote an article about it, but they don't even care. they've poisoned the minds of the voters. unfortunately for them, i think the voters are seeing through it. i think they're going to see through it. we'll find out on november 8th. >> but sir, there's -- >> if you look -- excuse me, chris. if you look at your voter rolls, you will see millions of people -- millions, this isn't coming from me, this is coming from other people. millions of people that be registered to vote. so. let me just give you one other thing, so i talk about the corp rupt media, i talk about the millions of people. i tell you one other thing. she shouldn't be allowed to run. it's -- she's guilty of a very, very serious crime. she should not be allowed to run. and just in that respect, i say, it's rigged. because she should never -- chris. she should never have been
did with e-mails and so many other things. >> but sir, there is a tradition in this country, in fact, one of the prides of this country, is the peaceful transition of power and that no matter how hard-fought a campaign is, that at the end of the campaign, that the loser concedes to the winner, not saying that you're necessarily going to be the loser or the winner, but that the loser concedes to the winner and that the country comes together in part for the good of the country. are you saying you're not prepared now to commit to that >> i'm tell you at the time. i'll keep you in suspense. >> well, chris, let me respond to that, because that's horrifying. you know, every time donald thinks things are not going in his direction, he claims, whatever it is is rigged against him. the fbi conducted a year-long investigation into my e-mails, they concluded there was no case, he said the fbi was rigged. he lost the iowa caucus, he lost the wisconsin primary, he said the republican primary was
for fraud and racketeering, he claims the court system and the federal judge is rigged against him. there was even a time when he didn't get an emmy for his tv program three years in a row and he started tweeting that the emmys were rigged. >> should have gotten it. >> this is a mindset. this is how donald thinks. and it's funny, but it is also really troubling. that is not the way our democracy works. we've been aro we've had free and fair elections. we've accepted the outcomes when we may not have liked them and that is what must be expected of anyone standing on a debate stage during a general election. you know, president obama said the other day, when you're whining -- >> hold on, folks. >> before the game is even finished, it just shows you're not up to doing the job. and let's be clear about what he is saying and what that means.
one, am appalled that somebody who is the nominee of one of our two major parties would take that kind of position. >> i think what the fbi did and what the department of justice did, including meeting with her husband, the attorney general in the back of an airplane on the tarmac in arizona, i think it's disgraceful. i think it's a disgrace. >> all right. >> i think we've never had a situation -- >> hold on, folks. this doesn't do any good let's please continue the debate and let's move onto the subject of foreign hot spots. the iraqi offensive to take back mosul has begun. if they are successful in pushing isis out of that city and out of all of iraq, the question then becomes, what happens the day after? and that's something that, whichever of you ends up, whoever of you ends up as president is going to have to confront. will you put u.s. troops into
isis doesn't come back or isn't replaced by something even worse, secretary clinton, you go first in this segment, you have two minutes. >> well, i am encouraged that there is an effort, led by the iraqi army, supported by kurdish forces and also given the help and advice from the number of special forces and other americans on the ground, but i will not support putting american soldiers int i don't think that is in our interest. and i don't think that would be smart to do. in fact, chris, i think that would be a big red flag waving for eye us to reconstitute itself. the goal here is to take back mosul. it's going to be a hard fight. i've got no illusions about that. and then, continue to press into syria, to begin to take back and move on raqqah, which is the isis headquarters.
that american military advisers have done will pay off. and that we will see a real -- a really successful military operation. but we know we've got lots of work to do. syria will remain a hot bed of terrorism, as long as the civil war, aided and abetted by the iranians and the russians continue. so, i have said, look. we need to keep our eye on isis, that's why i want to have an intelligence surge that protects us here at home. from the air, on the ground, online. why we have to make sure here at home we don't let terrorists buy weapons, if you are too dangerous to fly, you are too dangerous to buy a gun. and i'm going to continue to push for a no-fly zone and safe havens within syria, not only to help protect the syrians and prevent the constant outflow of refugees, but to frankly gain some leverage on the syrian
negotiation necessary to bring the conflict to an end and go forward on a political track. >> mr. trump, same question. if we are able to push isis out of mosul and out of iraq, will -- would you willbe willin put u.s. troops in there to prevent their return or something else? >> let me tell you. mosul is so sad. we had mosul. when she took everybody out, we lost mosul. now we're fighting again to get mosul. the problem with mosul and what they wanted to do, they wanted to get the leaders of isis, who they felt were in mosul. about three months ago, i st started reading that they want to get the leaders. and they're going to attack mosul. whatever happened to the element of surprise? okay? we announce we're going after mosul. i've been reading about it for about, how long is it, three months? these people have all left.
spinning in their graves when they see the stupidity of our country. so, we're now fighting for mosul, that we had. all she had to do was stay there, now we're going in to get it. but you know who the big winner in mosul is going to be? the only reason they did it is because he's running for the office of president and they want to look tough. they want to look good. he violated the red line in the sand and he made so many mistak that's why we have the great migration. but she wanted to look good for the election, so, they're going in. who is going to get mosul, really? by the way, if you look at what's happening, much tougher than they thought. much, much tougher. much more dangerous, going to be more deaths than they thought. but the leaders that we wanted to get are gone, because they're smart. what do we need this for? so, mosul is going to be a wonderful thing, and iran should write us a letter of thank you.
a deal that is going to give iran absolutely nuclear weapons. iran should write us yet another letter, saying thank you very much. because iran, as i said many years ago, iran is taking over iraq. something they've wanted to do forever, but we've made it so easy for them. so, we're now going to take mosul. you know who is going to be the beneficiary? iran. boy, are they making -- they are outsmarting -- look. you're not there, you might be involved inha you were there when you took everybody out of mosul and out of iraq. you shouldn't have been in iraq. but you did vote for it. you shouldn't have been in iraq, but once you were in iraq, you should have never left the way. the point is -- >> your two minutes are up. >> the big winner is going to be iran. >> well, you know, once again, donald is implying that he didn't support the invasion of iraq. i said it was a mistake, i've said that years ago. he has consistently denied what is -- >> wrong.
>> wrong. >> that before the invasion he supported it. and i just want everybody to go google it. google donald trump iraq. and you will see the dozens of sources which verify that he was for the invasion of iraq. >> wrong. >> and you can actually hear the audio of him saying that. now, why does that matter? well, it matters because he has not told the truth about that position. i guess he believes it makes him look better now to contrast with me, because i did vote for but what's really important here is to understand all the interplay. mosul is a sunni city. mosul is on the border of syria. and, yes, we do need to go after baghdadi and, just like we went after bin laden. while you were doing "celebrity apprentice." and we brought him to justice. we need to go after the leadership. but we need to get rid of them, get rid of their fighters, they
they've been digging underground. they've been prepared to defend. it's going to be tough fighting. i think we can move on into syria and take bacharak raqqah. this is what we have to do. i'm just amazed that he seems to think that the iraqi government and our allies and everybody else launched the attack on mosul to help me in this election, but that's how donald thinks, you know? he always is looking for -- >> chris, we don't gain anything. iran is >> it's conspiracy theories he has been spewing out for quite some time. >> secretary clinton, it's an open discussion. >> we would have gained if they did it. >> he's unfit. and he proves it. >> you are the one who is unfit. wikileaks just actually came out, john podesta said some horrible things about you. and boy was he right. he said some beauties. and, you know, bernie sanders, he said you have bad judgment.
mosul after we let the world know we're going in and all of the people that we really wanted, the leaders, they're all gone, if you think that was good, then you do. now, john podesta said you have terrible instincts. bernie sanders said you have bad judgment. i agree with both. >> you should ask bernie sanders who he is supporting for president, and he has said -- >> which is a big mistake. >> he's said as he campaigned around the country, that are you the most dangerous person to r history of america. i think he's right. >> let's turn to aleppo. mr. trump, in the last debate, you were both asked about the situation in the syrian city of aleppo. i want to follow up on that, because you said several things in that debate which were not true, sir. you said that aleppo has basically fallen. in fact, there -- >> it's a catastrophe.
>> have you seen it? have you seen it? >> sir? >> have you seen what's happened to aleppo? >> sir, if i may finish my question. >> all right, so, it hasn't fallen. take a look at it. >> there are a quarter of a million people there being slaughtered. >> that's right. and they are being slaughtered because of bad decisions. >> if i may just finish here. and you also said that isis -- that syria and russia are busy fighting isis, in fact, they have been the ones who have been bombing and shelling eastern aleppo a humanitarian pause in effect, admitting they have been bombing and sheing aleppo. would you like to clear that up, sir? >> aleppo is a disaster. it's a humanitarian nightmare, but it has fallen, from -- from any standpoint. i mean, what do you need, a signed document? take a look at aleppo. it is so sad when you see what's happened. and a lot of this is because of hillary clinton. because what's happened is, by fighting assad, who turned out to be a lot tougher than she
say, oh, he loves assad. he's just much tougher and much smarter than her and obama. and everyone thought he was gone two years ago, three years ago. he aligned with russia, he now also aligned with iran, who we made very power. . gave them $150 billion back. we give them 1.7 billion in cash. i mean, cash. bundles of cash, as big as this stage. we gave them $1.7 billion. now, they have aligned with russia and with iran. they don't want isis. but they have other things, because we're backing -- we're backing rebels. we don't know who the rebels are. we're giving them lots of money, lots of everything. we don't know who the rebels are. and when and if, and it's not going to happen, because you have russia and you have iran now, but if they ever did overthrow assad, you might end
he's a bad guy, but you may end up with worse than assad. if she did nothing, we'd be in much better shape. and this is what's caused the great migration, where she's taking in tens of thousands of syrian refugees who probably in many cases, not probably, who are definitely, in many cases, isis-aligned, and we now have them in our country, and there's going to be the great trojan horse. and wait until you see what happens in the lots of luck, hillary. thanks a lot for doing a great job. >> secretary clinton, you have talked about, and in the last debate and again today, that you would impose a no-fly zone to try to protect the people of aleppo and to stop the killing there. president obama has refused to do that, because he fears it's going to draw us closer or deeper into the conflict. and general joseph dunford, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said you impose a no-fly zone, chances are, you're going
so, the question i have is, if you impose a no-fly zone, how do you respond to their concerns, secondly, if you impose a no-fly zone and a russian plane violating that, does president clinton shoot that plane down? >> well, chris, first of all, i think a no-fly zone could save lives and could hasten the end of the conflict. i'm well aware of the really legitimate concerns that you have expressed from both the president and the general. this would not be done just the first day. this would take a lot of negotiation and it would take making it clear to the russians and the syrians that our purpose here was to provide safe zones on the ground. we've had millions of people leave syria, and those millions of people, inside syria who have been dislocated. so, i think we could strike a deal and make it very clear to the russians and the syrians that this was something that we believe was in the best interests of the people on the
against isis, but i want to respond to what donald said about refugees. he's made these claims repeatedly. i am not going to let anyone in this country who is no vetted, who we do not have confidence in, but i am not going to slam the door on women and children. i -- that picture of that little 4-year-old boy in aleppo with the blood coming down his face while he sat in an ambulance is haunting. and so, we are going to do very careful, thorough vetting. that does not challenges with isis. and our need to stop radicalization. to work with american muslim communities who are on the front lines, to identify and prevent attacks. in fact, the killer of the dozens of people at the nightclub in orlando, the pulse nightclub, was born in queens, the same place donald was born. so, let's be clear about what the threat is and how we are
it. and, yes, some of that threat emanates from over in syria and iraq, and we've got to keep fighting and i will defeat isis and some of it is, we have to up our game and be much smarter here at home. >> i want to get into the final segment. >> i just have to -- >> real quick. >> it's so ridiculous. we should have never let isis happen in the first place and right now, they're in 32 countries. should have never -- >> okay. >> wait one second. they had a cease-fire three weeks ago. united states, and during the cease-fire, russia took over vast swatches of land and then they said, we don't want the cease-fire anymore. we have so outplayed on missiles, on cease-fires. they are outplayed. now, she wasn't there, i assume she had nothing to do with it. but our country is so outplayed by putin and assad and, by the way, and by iran. nobody can believe how stupid our leadership is.
is the national debt, which has not been discussed until tonight. our national debt is a share of the economy, our gdp is now 77%. that's the highest since just after world war ii. but the nonpartisan committee for a responsible federal budget says secretary clinton, under your plan, debt would rise to 86% of gdp. mr. trump, they to 105% of gdp in the next ten years. question is, why are both of you ignoring this problem? mr. trump, you go first. >> well, i say they're wrong. because i'm going to create tremendous jobs. and we're bringing gdp from really 1%, which is what it is now and if she got in, it would be less than zero. we're bringing it from 1% up to 4% and i actually think we can go higher than 4%. i think you can go to 5% or 6%.
bother asking your question, because we have a tremendous machine. we will have created a tremendous economic machine once again. to do that, we're taking back jobs. we're not going to let our companies be raided by other countries where we lose owl our jobs, we don't make our product anymore. it's very sad. but i'm going to create a -- the kind of a country that we were from the standpoint of industry. we used to be there. we've given it up. we've become very, very we've had people that are political hacks making the biggest deals in the world. bigger than ecocompanies. these trade deals are far bigger than these companies. and yet, we don't use our great leaders, many of whom back me and many of whom who back hillary. i must say. we have the greatest business people in the world. we have to use them to negotiate our trade deals. we use political hacks. we use people that get the
and they're dealing with economy t china and people that are very much smarter. we have to use our great people. with that being said, we will create an economic machine, the likes of which we haven't seen in many decades. and people, chris, will again go back to work and they'll make a lot of money and we'll have companies that will grow and expand and start from new. >> secretary clinton. >> well, first, when i that his slogan is make america great again, i wonder when he thought america was great. and before he rushes and says, you know, before you and president obama were there, i think it's important to recognize that has been criticizing our government for decades. you know, back in 1987, he took out a $100,000 ad in "the new
president reagan was president, and basically said exactly what he just said now. that we were the laughing stock of the world. he was criticizing president reagan. this is the way donald thinks about himself, puts himself into, you know, the middle and says, you know, i alone can fix it, as he said on the convention stage. but if you look at the debt, which is the issue you asked about, chris, i pay for everything i'm from posing. i do national debt. i take that very seriously. because i do think it's one of the issues we've got to come to grips with. so, when i talk about how we're going to pay for education, how we're going to invest in in infrastructure, how we're going to get the cost of prescription drugs down and a lot of the other issues that people talk to me about all the time, i've made it very clear, we are going where the money is. we are going to ask the wealthy and corporations to pay their fair share.
whatsoever that that will slow down or diminish our growth. in fact, i think just the opposite. we'll have what economists call middle-out growth. we've got to get back to rebuilding the middle class. the families of america. that's where growth will come from. that's why i want to invest in you. i want to invest in your family. and i think that's the smartest way to grow the economy, to make the economy fairer. and we just have a big disagreement about this. it may be because of our millionaire. i started off with my dad as a small businessman. >> we heard this before. >> i think it's a difference that affects how we see the world and what we want to do with the economy. >> time. >> thank you, hillary. could i just respond? >> well, no. because we're running out of time. >> i disagreed with ronald reagan very strongly on trade. i disagreed with him. we should have been much tougher on trade. i've been waiting for years, nobody does it right. >> okay. >> and frankly, now we're going to do it right. >> all right, the one last area
the fact that the biggest driver of our debt is entitlements, which is 60% of all federal spending. now, the committee for federal -- responsibility federal budget has looked at your plans and said neither of you has a serious plan that is going to solve the fact that medicare's going to run out of money in the 2020s, social security is going to run out of money in the 2030s. and at that time, recipients are going to take huge cuts in their benefits. so, in this regard is, and let me start with you, mr. trump, would president trump make a deal to save medicare and social security that included both tax increases and benefit cuts in effect, a grand bargain on entitlements? >> i'm cutting taxes. we're going to grow the economy. it's going to grow at a record rate. >> that's not going to help in entitlements. >> it's going to totally help you. what we have to do is repeal and replace the disaster known as obama care.
our small business and our big businesses. we have to repeal and replace obama care. you take a look at the kind of numbers that that will cost us in the year '17, it is a disaster. if we don't repeal and replace. now, it's probably going to die of its own weight, but obama care has to go. it's -- the premiums are going up, 60%, 70%, 80%. next year, they're going to go up over 100%, and i'm really glad that the what's happening, because she wants to keep obama care and she wants to make it even worse. and it can't get any worse. bad health care at the most expensive price. we have to repeal and replace obama care. >> and secretary clinton, same question. because at this point, social security and medicare are going to run out, the trust funds are going to run out of money. will you as president -- will you consider a grand bargain, a
try to save both programs? >> well, chris, i am on record as saying that we need to put more money into social security trust fund. that's part of my commitment to raise taxes on the wealthy. my social security payroll contribution will go up, as will donald's, assuming he can't figure out how to get out of it, but what we want to do is to replenish -- >> such a nasty woman. >> by making sure that we have sufficnt raises the cap and/our finding ways to get more money into it. i will not cut benefits. i want to enhance benefits for low income workers. and for women who have been disadvantaged by the current social security system. but what donald is proposing with these message tax cuts will result in a $20 trillion additional national debt. that will have dire consequences
affordable care act, which he wants to repeal. it extended the solvency of the medicare trust fund. if he repeals it, the medicare problem -- >> your husband disagrees with you. >> the long-term health care drivers. we have to get costs down, increase value, emphasize wellness. i have a plan for doing that. and i think that we will be able to get entitlement spending under control by with more resources and smarter decisions. >> this is the final probably to both of your delight that you're going to be on stage together in this campaign. i would like to end it on a positive note. you had not agreed to closing statements, but it seems to me in a funny way that might make it more interesting, because you haven't prepared closing statements. so, we're going to put a clock up. a minute. as the final question and the final debate, to tell the american people why they should elect you to be the next president.
is your turn to go first. >> well, i would like to say to everyone watching tonight that i'm reaching out to all americans. democrats, republicans and independents, because we need everybody to help make our country what it should be. to grow the economy, to make it fairer, to make it work for everyone. we need your talents, your skills, your commitment, your energy, your ambition. you know, i've been privileged to see the presidency up close, and i know the a country and the incredible opportunity of working to try to make life better for all of you. i have made the cause of children and families really my life's work. that's what my mission will be in the presidency. i will stand up for families against powerful interests, against corporations, i will do everything that i can to make sure that you have good jobs with rising incomes, that your kids have good educations, from
to serve as your president. >> secretary clinton, thank you. mr. trump. >> she's raising the money from the people she wants to control. doesn't work that way. but when i started this campaign, i started it very strongly. it's called make america great again. we're going to make america great. we have a depleted military. it has to be helped. it has to be fixed. we have the greatest people on earth in our military. we don't take care of our veterans. we take care of illegal immigrants, people that come into the vets. that can't happen. our policemen and women are disrespected. we need law and order, but we need justice, too. our inner cities are a disaster. you get shot walking to the store, they have no education. they have no jobs. i will do more from african-americans and latinos than she can ever do in ten lifetimes. all she's done is talk to the african-americans and to the latinos. but they get the vote and then they come back, they say, we'll
strong again, and we are going to make america great again and it has to start now. we cannot take four more years of barack obama and that's what you get when you get her. >> thank you both. secretary clinton -- hold on, just a moment, foulings. secretary clinton, mr. trump, i want you to thank you both for participating in all three of these debates. that brings to an end this year's debates sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. we want to thank of nevada las vegas and its students for having us. now, the decision is up to you. while millions have already voted, election day, november 8th, is just 20 days away. one thing everyone here can agree on, we hope you will go vote. it is one of the honors and obligations of living in this great country. thank you and good night. >> and that does it right there. debate season wrapped up for 2016.
the podium. looks like she's going to shake chris wallace's hand. will there be a happened shake between donald trump and hillary clinton? little suspense right there. as we watch them. it was a lively 90 minutes. they covered a lot of ground. another hand shake there for chris wallace. no hand shake yet between the candidates. lively 90 minutes. they covered ground. supreme court, t hillary clinton already in the crowd right there, hugging mel whitman, a major republican who is supporting her. then, they got to the tough issues, as well. those accusers of donald trump, he said they are all liars. the clinton foundation, the clinton e-mails. jon karl there in the hall, as melania trump comes up to greet her husband, the news of the night has got to be when chris wallace asked donald trump the direct question, will you accept the results of this election, i will look at it at the time.
moment. the peaceful transition of power following a democratic election is the ultimate american tradition, george. for donald trump to say that he would be unwilling to commit to accepting the results of the election was truly not just the moment of this debate, but maybe the moment of this election. >> and david muir, hillary clinton seemed prepared for it. >> you heard donald trump in recent days saying, taking five days off to prep for the debate. he said she must be sleeping, must be lying down, resting. well, it was ready to go. and in fact, on this notion of being rigged, she had a very careful argument. she said that back during the primary, he said that iowa was rigged, judgments against trump university, that was rigged. and that even when he didn't win a series of emmys for the apprentice, that was rigged. it drew applause. some laughter in that hall. but she said, you know, this would be funny if it won't horrifying. chef was ready for that. >> and matthew dowd, this comes after mike pence and donald
course he's going to accept the results. >> i think donald trump's answer on this, and i've seen a lot of this, was one of the most astounding answers i've seen in our democracy. our constitutional republic. we've all worked and been involved in observed these. every single one of them moves on and seeks to unite the country. i remember george w. bush winning the race very contested race in 2000. and obviously it went, al gore wins the popular vote. he had more legitimate si to question the votes than donald trump -- >> al gore >> in this election. we win by a few hundred votes in florida, al gore stood up, honored the results of the election and basically helped bring the country together. donald trump said he didn't know if he would do that. >> martha raddatz, we heard a lot of talk about putin and russia. hillary clinton saying that he's interfering in our elections. big part of the goal, create confusion, chaos, people questioning the results. >> that's exactly right, george. and that's the worry here. and i go out and i talk to voters. there are voters who hear donald
millions and millions of voter who want donald trump to be president, and they think this election could be rigged? it's not just donald trump saying that. it validates some people's opinions. and the russians, looking at this, i've heard a lot about this intelligence and what he talked about, he's doubting our intelligence agencies. they're not perfect. they're definitely not perfect. but from what i heard, they are certain that russia hacked into that. >> cokie roberts, you've been covering elections a long time. did you ever think you would see >> no, and i also write history, george. and starting with john adams losing in 1800, it was the first time that you had a government thrown out and accept the verdict. and the whole world found it incredible that this little american country was ready to actually live by the constitution that it had written. and it became the hallmark of our democracy for the rest of these 240 years.
makes us so proud, when the president of the defeated party will stand on the steps of the capitol with the person who defeated him or his party and watch that person take the oath of office, as barack obama said he would do if donald trump were elected president. and then, to have trump say that he would just fly in the face of those 240 years of a peaceful transition of government is something extraordinary. >> and byron pitts, the case that donald trump was trying to make there, the caseor corrupt media. hillary clinton shouldn't be on the stage. this notion he was talking about on the stage that millions are falsely registered. >> george, dr. king gave a speech in 1968 that said no lie can live forever, right? clearly donald trump hadn't heard the speech in this regard. there's no evidence we can find that the system is rigged. abc news has contacted election officials in every state. we've heard back from 31. they told us that there has not
at every vote cast since 2000. 1 billion votes cast in our country, only 31 cases of fraudulent votes. just today, former president jimmy carter, who knows something about elections around the world, he called trump's claims baseless, and even trump's running mate, mike pence, said today that he doesn't think that the system is rigged. >> okay, a lot more to talk about in this. we're gorg to take a quick break, come back to the campaigns and the spin ? ? we'll be right back. ? i'll never go down your road ? ? i'll find my way on my own ?
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about his rigged elections comments. using words like unacceptable, rejection of the american electoral standard. those are the big issues for them, george. i got to tell you that hombres line that donald trump used well did not go ole well, not just with the hillary clinton campaign, but latinos. people said they were crying, they were offended, downright disgusted by the way he used that world on that stage tonight. >> that was trending on twitter. let's go to tom llamas there, with the trump campaign. of explanation from the campaign on whether mr. trump will accept the results? >> well, so far, kind of quiet on the trump front so far. one senior level source tells us they thought it was a tie, but that donald trump, of course, did well. they always say that after every debate. we know his campaign manager right now is in the spin room. we don't expect donald trump to come out. one thing we have to understand, one of the strategies we were told coming into this is they wanted to rally the base. yes, it's less than three weeks before election day, but the
and that whole mantra of this rigged election, he's been saying it since august, and yes it was astonishing, an incredible moment today, but he's been saying it since august. he does not like to reverse himself. think about how many years it took him to come around on the birther movement and president obama. this is something he's not going to back away from, even though his own daughter and his running mate have said different, george. >> and jon karl, you're in the hall there, as well. but in touch with republicans and other elected officials across the country. what are you hearing? >> well, we are hearing republicans on the general thrust of this debate. but specifically on this question of accepting the results, we heard from two senators very strong words, republican senator jeff flake said that was beyond the pale, when he wouldn't commit to accepting the results, and then, from lindsey graham, a statement. republican of south carolina, said, trump is doing the party and the country a great disservice by continuing to suggest the outcome of this election is in the hands -- is
and he says this, george. if he loses, it will not be because the system is rigged, but because he failed as a candidate. >> okay, jon karl, thank you very much. matthew dowd, of course, those are two senators have been against donald trump right there, but we'll see how others, as they come in. even laura ingram, radio talk show host who has been a strong supporter said, he should have said he would accept the results of the election. there is no other option unless we're in a recount again. so, let's set the stage right here the three debates are done. no other big events that are planned in this election. hillary clinton came in with about a six-point lead. if you look at the average of the national polls, leading in all the battleground states. did donald trump do anything tonight to change that dynamic? >> not a thing. my guess is from this debate, hillary clearly won this debate. it was her best performance of the three she's had. donald trump does well, he did well in the first third, as we've seen and then falters in
continue on, this whole idea that he wouldn't accept the results, is going to continue on. i would expect republican officials around the country, in the day and days ahead to come out and say, donald trump, you cannot say that. you need to accept the results of this. but this debate was a clear win for hillary clinton. she has the lead. she is actually in the process of running out the clock and unless some unknown event occurs, hillary clinton is going to be elected president of the united states. >> and david muir, there seemed to be a subconscious moment there for donald trump, i don't want to be an arm schair talking about isis. >> all of us have been together during the debates and you can't help but to notice how much this has devolved from the first one. they shook hands in the first debate. the second one, they approached, but did not. and tonight, they didn't go near each other. a fourth debate, one of them might be coming in via satellite. but at the end of this, you saw them leave the debate and you wonder if they were going to shake hands. there's going to have to be a lot of healing, regardless of
nasty this has become. >> martha, you did moderate the second debate. >> i wasn't with you that night mere. in spirit, in spirit, i was. >> we were with you. >> it seemed at the beginning of this debate, we had a slightly different donald trump. he was in control, on message, relatively disciplined. >> for about 29 minutes, i counted. about 29 minutes. there was much more substance at the beginning of that debate. i mean, i found myself really listening to what both candidates were saying. but then, suddenly, it just turned, at about 30 minutes. when he starts reading the tweets, when he starts reading things, what his reaction will be to what he said in that debate. whether he doubles down or whether he says -- >> we're going to get some more on that right now. more reaction right now from the trump campaign, i see tom llamas right there in the spin room. tom, tell me when you have kelly anne conway. is she with you now? >> she's not here just quite yet, george. probably be making her way over here in a few minutes.
>> we'll keep an eye on you. tell us as soon as she comes in. cokie roberts, when you go back to the beginning of the debate right there, donald trump was giving the answers. what you saw pretty clearly, he was really speaking during those answers to a republican primary audience. >> absolutely. and getting this kind of feedback that he's been getting in his rallies, where he does be gin everybody up and they respond enormously to these questions about a rigged election, and the crooked med that. and he -- he was doing it in terms of policy, as well. on the question of abortion, for instance. >> and matthew dowd, you saw a few times in the course of the night when hillary clinton starts to talk about her main theme, the country being stronger together. does she pick up on the point that you talked about in the beginning of the race, in the final 20 days, to start talking about how to heal the country after the win, which she, right now, is expecting. >> well, i was actually surprised. she was very aggressive with
much prepared for this, distinct answers. went directly at him. >> and he said, what a nasty woman. >> such a nasty woman. her last answer was the answer that i thought i was looking for most of the night, which was basically, i'm speaking to republicans, speaking to democrats and independents. i think she concluded with it, but didn't do it throughout. >> didn't do it throughout. we'll see what happens in the final 20 days.
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there they are in las vegas, want to go straight to tom llamas, who just talked to the campaign manager for donald trump. >> george, i asked her about that incredible moment where donald trump said he would not surrender his campaign if he loses on election day. she cited al gore, who conceded in 2000 and yet had to go back and that election was obviously up in the air for several days after that. now, she also said, when i asked if donald trump was trying to make a joke of this by suspense, she said he was showing his humor. >> okay. there you have it. thank you all very much. thank you for watching. that is all for us right now. our coverage continues on abcnews.com. for many of you, your late local news is next. tonight, a special jimmy kimmel. he's live, postgame show on the
>> from everything i see, has no respect for this person. >> that's because he would rather have a puppet as president. >> you are the puppet. >> it's pretty clear -- jonathan: the final face-to-face jabs in the race for the white hillary clinton and donald trump. the goal tonight, stop the scandals and allegations and talk about the big issues. alison: were they able to do that? donald trump said he may not accept the results of the election, but will consider them at the time. we start with chief political correspondent scott thuman live from las vegas. hi, scott.